Wealth Coherence

Intuition and Leadership with Abby Havermann

Episode Summary |
In this episode, Emily Bouchard and Abby Havermann explore the intricate relationship between emotional intelligence, financial decisions, and personal empowerment. They discuss the importance of heart coherence, self-observation, and the impact of guilt and shame on decision-making. The conversation emphasizes the need for self-compassion and understanding our emotional triggers while navigating the complexities of wealth and personal growth. Abby shares insights from her diverse background in psychology and finance, offering practical tools for achieving coherence and making empowered choices.
 
Chapters |
00:00 Introduction to Empowerment and Wealth Coherence02:44 The Intersection of Psychology and Financial Decisions11:28 Overcoming Emotional Barriers to Wealth20:07 Learning from Mistakes and Self-Compassion23:10 The Addictive Nature of Guilt25:56 Understanding Remorse vs. Guilt29:02 Embracing Our Human Experience30:43 Navigating Family Dynamics33:44 The Gifts We Are Given36:51 The Mind-Body Connection39:44 Choosing Our Path Forward44:16 Finding Freedom from the Mind
 
Guest Bio | 
Abby Havermann is a former psychotherapist, TEDx and keynote speaker, certified HeartMath trainer, and Positive Intelligence facilitator with over 30 years of experience guiding people from chaos to clarity. She’s the host of the Intuition Incubator podcast, ranked in the top 5% globally, where she explores the intersection of science, consciousness, and human transformation.
 
Abby helps ambitious souls, self-help addicts, and visionary leaders align who they are with what they do—in business, parenting, and life. Drawing on neuroscience, ancient wisdom, and her own hard-earned insights, she teaches how to trade burnout and people-pleasing for coherence, clarity, and soul-level success.
 
Guest Resources |
https://www.youtube.com/@abbyhavermann
https://www.facebook.com/abby.havermann
https://www.linkedin.com/in/abbyhavermann
https://www.instagram.com/abby.havermann/
https://www.abbyhavermann.com/seven-steps-to-stop-self-sabotage
 
Emily's Resources |
https://emilybouchard.com/
https://blendedfamiliesflourishing.com/
Heart*Brain*Horse*Coherence Retreats: https://emilybouchard.com/retreat/

Enlightened Philanthropy with Deborah Goldstein

Episode Summary |
In this conversation, Emily Bouchard and Deborah Goldstein explore the nuances of philanthropy, emphasizing the importance of aligning giving with personal values and the need for clarity in decision-making. They discuss the overwhelming nature of charitable requests and the significance of family discussions in shaping giving strategies. The dialogue highlights the journey of understanding one's philanthropic identity, the balance between proactive and reactive giving, and the role of children in learning about generosity. Ultimately, the conversation underscores the power of coherence in philanthropy, enabling individuals and families to give meaningfully and intentionally.
 
Chapters | 
00:00 Introduction to Philanthropy and Coherence03:48 Navigating Overwhelm in Giving06:23 The Importance of Values in Philanthropy09:28 Childhood Influences on Philanthropic Values12:07 Proactive vs. Reactive Giving Strategies14:51 Family Dynamics in Philanthropy17:29 Flexibility in Philanthropic Giving20:35 The Role of Identity in Giving23:26 Teaching Children About Wealth and Giving26:06 Leveraging Networks in Philanthropy28:58 The Journey of Philanthropy and Saying No
 
Guest Bio | 
Deborah Goldstein, founder of Enlightened Philanthropy, is dedicated to guiding philanthropists in giving. Drawing from more than 25 years of experience in the nonprofit field, she supports clients on their philanthropic journey helping them align their values with their giving so they can give with clarity and confidence. Goldstein particularly enjoys helping families give collaboratively and experience meaningful moments together as the next generation engages in this process. She is also the creator of Philanthropy Camp for Women, an opportunity for women to explore their giving and learn in community.
 
Goldstein holds a BA in Biology from Wittenberg University and a Master’s Degree in Marine Policy with a Certificate in Museum Studies from the University of Delaware. She has worked for Oregon State University, the Oregon Museum of Science and Industry, and the Monterey Bay Aquarium. Goldstein is a 21/64-certified consultant. She is also co-Dean of Philanthropy for the Purposeful Planning Institute.
 
Guest Resources |
https://www.linkedin.com/in/deborah-goldstein-48b31119/
https://www.instagram.com/enlightenedphilanthropy/
https://www.facebook.com/enlightenedphilanthropy
https://www.youtube.com/@EnlightenedPhilanthropy
 
Emily's Resources |
https://emilybouchard.com/
https://blendedfamiliesflourishing.com/
Heart*Brain*Horse*Coherence Retreats: https://emilybouchard.com/retreat/

Parenting, Money, & Values with Deborah Goldstein

Episode Summary | 
In this episode of Wealth Coherence, Emily Bouchard and Deborah Goldstein discuss the importance of aligning financial decisions with personal values, particularly in the context of parenting. They explore how to teach children about money, the significance of delayed gratification, and the role of critical thinking in financial literacy. Through personal anecdotes, Deborah shares her experiences with her son, emphasizing the lessons learned in navigating money conversations and instilling values around giving and spending.
 
 
Chapters |
00:00 The Journey of Philanthropy and Saying No01:15 Weaving Values into Parenting and Money Conversations07:26 Navigating Delayed Gratification and Money Stories12:37 Allowance, Saving, and Spending Decisions18:53 Teaching Financial Literacy and Critical Thinking
 
Guest Bio |
Deborah Goldstein, founder of Enlightened Philanthropy, is dedicated to guiding philanthropists in giving. Drawing from more than 25 years of experience in the nonprofit field, she supports clients on their philanthropic journey helping them align their values with their giving so they can give with clarity and confidence. Goldstein particularly enjoys helping families give collaboratively and experience meaningful moments together as the next generation engages in this process. She is also the creator of Philanthropy Camp for Women, an opportunity for women to explore their giving and learn in community.
 
Goldstein holds a BA in Biology from Wittenberg University and a Master’s Degree in Marine Policy with a Certificate in Museum Studies from the University of Delaware. She has worked for Oregon State University, the Oregon Museum of Science and Industry, and the Monterey Bay Aquarium. Goldstein is a 21/64-certified consultant. She is also co-Dean of Philanthropy for the Purposeful Planning Institute.
 
Guest Resources | 
https://www.linkedin.com/in/deborah-goldstein-48b31119/
https://www.instagram.com/enlightenedphilanthropy/
https://www.facebook.com/enlightenedphilanthropy
https://www.youtube.com/@EnlightenedPhilanthropy
 
Emily's Resources |
https://emilybouchard.com/
https://blendedfamiliesflourishing.com/
Heart*Brain*Horse*Coherence Retreats: https://emilybouchard.com/retreat/

Heart-Centered Leadership with Mark Crowley

Episode Summary |
In this episode of Wealth Coherence, Mark Crowley shares his transformative journey from a traumatic childhood to becoming a heart-centered leader. He discusses the importance of emotional intelligence in leadership, the impact of upbringing on management styles, and the significance of fostering employee well-being in the workplace. Mark emphasizes the need for authentic recognition and appreciation in leadership, particularly within family businesses, and introduces his new book focused on elevating well-being in the workplace.
 
Chapters |
00:00 Introduction to Heart-Centered Leadership
00:56 Mark's Personal Journey and Challenges
04:15 The Impact of Upbringing on Leadership Style
07:56 Discovering the Heart's Role in Leadership
11:56 The Science Behind Heart Coherence
15:04 Authenticity in Leadership
17:30 Navigating Family Dynamics in Leadership
20:51 The Power of Acknowledgment in Family Dynamics
23:29 Creating a Professional Environment in Family Businesses
26:49 The Importance of Individual Recognition
28:48 The Role of Appreciation in Employee Well-being
31:03 Fostering Team Cohesion and Collaboration
35:42 The Heart of Leadership: Caring for Employees
38:16 The Impact of Inclusion in Family Businesses
40:04 The Shift from Engagement to Well-being
 
Guest Bio | 
Mark C. Crowley is the author of “Lead From The Heart: Transformational Leadership For The 21st Century,” and his mission is to fundamentally change how we lead people in workplaces around the globe. 
Mark is a regular columnist for Fast Company Magazine and has been published in USA Today, Reuters, Forbes, the Stanford Social Innovation Review, the Huffington Post, Gallup, The Financial Times, CEO Magazine, Great Britain, and the Seattle Times.   
His book has been taught in ten American universities, including the educational Ph.D program at the University of Massachusetts Global & at the University of Iowa’s MBA Program. His Lead From The Heart podcast rank in the top 1.5% of all podcasts in the world, and has an audience in 175 countries.
Before writing his book, Mark spent over 20 years in the dog-eat-dog world of Financial Services. He held two national level positions at one of America’s largest financial institutions where he was named leader of the year. Quite untraditionally, Mark proved that deeply caring about and supporting people, and thereby positively affecting employee’s hearts had a profound effect on motivating their sustained engagement, loyalty and productivity.
New and breakthrough medical research Mark draws upon in his book proves that the heart is actually the driver of optimal human performance. A leadership pioneer, Mark shows us that, rather than weak or soft management, leading from the heart is the most informed and enlightened thing a manager or organization can do. 
Mark’s new book, “The Power Of Employee Well-Being: Move Beyond Engagement To Build Flourishing Teams” will be published by Berrett-Koehler in September, 2025. 
Mark is a graduate of the University of California, San Diego and the University of Washington’s Pacific Coast Banking School.  He lives in La Jolla, California.
 
Guest Resources | 
Twitter:  @markccrowley
LinkedIn: @MarkCCrowley
website: www: LeadFromTheHeart.com
 
Additional Resources |
Purchase “The Seven Principles That Make Marriage Work” HERE: https://www.amazon.com/Seven-Principles-Making-Marriage-Work/dp/0553447718
 
Emily's Resources | 
https://emilybouchard.com/
https://blendedfamiliesflourishing.com/ Heart*Brain*Horse*Coherence Retreats: https://emilybouchard.com/retreat/

The Marriage-Friendly Prenup with Laurie Israel

Episode Summary | 
In this conversation, Emily Bouchard and Laurie Israel delve into the complexities of prenups, particularly focusing on the concept of 'generous prenups.' They discuss the emotional and financial implications of prenups, especially for individuals from wealthy families, and the importance of mediation in navigating these discussions. The conversation also touches on the challenges faced in second marriages, gray divorces, and the role of estate planning. Laurie shares her insights on how prenups can sometimes be damaging to relationships and emphasizes the need for a thoughtful approach to financial discussions in marriage.
 
Chapters | 
00:00 Introduction to Purposeful Prenups
01:21 Navigating Wealth and Prenups
06:13 Mediation in Prenup Conversations
07:30 Second Marriages and Financial Security
10:47 Gray Divorce and Remarriage
11:53 The Role of Family Offices
14:47 Estate Planning and Prenups
16:45 The Impact of Prenups on Young Couples
22:16 Generosity vs. Adversity in Prenups
28:41 Creating a Generous Prenup
 
Guest Bio | 
Laurie Israel is a nationally known prenuptial agreement attorney and mediator who works with couples formulating prenups throughout the country.  She is the author of "The Marriage-Friendly Prenup" (2025), "The Generous Prenup" (2018), and "Mediating Prenups" (2025. Laurie’s writings have appeared in The New York Times, The Wall Street Journal, The Huffington Post, New York Magazine, and many other publications. She can frequently be heard sharing her views on prenuptial agreements on podcasts across the podcast sphere.
Guest Resources | 
laurieisrael.com
https://mediate.com/author/laurie-israel/
https://mcfm.org/mediator-profile/316
Purchase Laurie’s Books Here:
https://www.amazon.com/Generous-Prenup-Support-Marriage-Pitfalls/dp/0999828703
https://a.co/d/3uMnOMu
https://a.co/d/aFSSbqw
 
Emily's Resources | 
https://emilybouchard.com/
https://blendedfamiliesflourishing.com/
Heart*Brain*Horse*Coherence Retreats: https://emilybouchard.com/retreat/

Prenups & Family Dynamics with Paul Hood

Episode Summary | 
In this conversation, Emily Bouchard and Paul Hood delve into the complexities of prenups, particularly in the context of wealthy families. They discuss the importance of purposeful prenups, emphasizing trust, communication, and the need for full disclosure of assets. The conversation highlights the emotional challenges that can arise when one partner comes from a wealthier background, and the necessity of navigating these dynamics with care. They also explore the role of legal representation, the negotiation process, and the significance of understanding family dynamics in creating effective prenups.
 
Chapters |
00:00 Introduction to Purposeful Prenups
01:40 Understanding Prenups in Wealthy Families
06:09 Building Trust Through Disclosure
11:26 The Importance of Family Dynamics
17:08 Navigating Emotional Hardships in Prenups
21:10 Empowering Couples in the Prenup Process
24:21 Choosing the Right Legal Representation
28:03 Negotiating Prenups Effectively
33:54 Concerns and Values in Prenup Discussions
 
Guest Bio |
A “recovering tax lawyer,” Paul Hood’s often  quoted in publications that include Forbes magazine, USA TODAY, and The Wall Street Journal, and he’s been a frequent contributor to Leimberg Information Services, Inc. since its inception, Paul is a highly sought-after speaker and consultant because of his innate ability to see through the complexity and explain difficult and even boring subjects in understandable and entertaining language with his insightful and biting sense of humor, and he minces no words in doing so. Along the way, Paul’s been a father, husband, uncle, Godfather, lawyer, coach, mentor, trustee, member, director, president, partner, trust protector, director of planned giving, expert witness, agent, professor, judge, juror, respondent, and a defendant, and he uses his experience in these myriad roles to guide others.
 
Guest Resources |
www.purposefulplanninginstitute.com
www.paulhoodservices.com
www.leimbergservices.com
Emily's Resources |
https://emilybouchard.com/
https://blendedfamiliesflourishing.com/
Heart*Brain*Horse*Coherence Retreats: https://emilybouchard.com/retreat/

Conscious Prenups with Jill Mastroianni

Episode Summary |
In this conversation, Emily Bouchard and Jill Mastroianni delve into the often-taboo topic of prenuptial agreements, exploring their importance in fostering open communication and trust in relationships. They discuss how childhood experiences shape our views on money and relationships, the stigma surrounding prenups, and the necessity of having financial conversations before marriage. The discussion emphasizes the significance of emotional regulation and creating a safe space for these conversations, ultimately advocating for a proactive approach to financial discussions in relationships. Chapters |
00:00 The Expanding Pie: Collaborative Relationships
01:37 Prenup References
03:47 Misconceptions About Prenups
07:59 Financial Infidelity
11:07 How to Handle a Prenup
15:43 How Childhood Impacts Relationship With Money
21:02 Childhood Experiences and Shame
23:56 The Power of Vulnerability in Relationships
26:46 Navigating Financial Conversations
29:46 Prenups: A Path to Clarity
32:46 Red Flags in Relationships
35:55 Connecting Through Conversations
38:46 Death Readiness and Estate Planning
 
Guest Bio |
With 12 years of experience as a trusts and estates attorney, Jill bridges the gap between individuals and attorneys, ensuring you feel prepared, informed, and confident before engaging legal professionals.
Whether you’re planning ahead or managing an estate, Jill provides expert guidance, advocacy, and organization—helping you reduce legal fees, simplify complex processes, and make informed decisions at every stage.
Her approach is high-touch and deeply personalized, tailored to your unique needs for clarity, efficiency, and peace of mind.
 
Jill's Resources | 
https://www.deathreadiness.com/
https://www.linkedin.com/in/jill-mastroianni-98901266/
https://www.youtube.com/@TheDeathReadinessPodcast
 
Emily's Resources | 
https://emilybouchard.com/
https://blendedfamiliesflourishing.com/
Heart*Brain*Horse*Coherence Retreats: https://emilybouchard.com/retreat/

Navigating Purposeful Prenups with Andrea Vacca

Episode Summary | 
In this conversation, Emily Bouchard and Andrea Vacca discuss the concept of purposeful prenups and how they can strengthen relationships. They emphasize the importance of collaboration in prenup discussions, moving away from adversarial approaches. The conversation also covers cohabitation agreements, financial disparities in relationships, and the unique considerations for blended families. Throughout, they highlight the need for open communication and understanding of each partner's values and financial obligations.
 
Chapters | 
00:00 Introduction to Purposeful Prenups
02:02 Understanding Cohabitation Agreements
05:06 The Importance of Cohabitation Agreements
07:43 Navigating Financial Contributions in Relationships
10:44 The Prenup Experience: Balancing Values
16:20 Addressing Wealth Disparities in Prenups
27:59 Divorces with Prenup vs. Without
30:08 Blended Families
 
Andrea's Resources |
https://www.vaccalaw.com/team/andrea-vacca/
https://www.linkedin.com/in/andreavacca/
 
Emily's Resources |
Emily's Resources: https://emilybouchard.com/
https://blendedfamiliesflourishing.com/
Heart*Brain*Horse*Coherence Retreats: https://emilybouchard.com/retreat/

Horses, Coherence & Attachment with Duey Freeman

Episode Summary |
In this conversation, Emily Bouchard and Duey Freeman explore the profound impact of attachment theory on human relationships and personal development. Duey shares his extensive experience working with individuals and couples, emphasizing the importance of secure attachments formed in early life. He discusses the unique role of horses in facilitating healing and connection, highlighting how they can teach us about safety and belonging. The dialogue also delves into the complexities of wealth and attachment, urging listeners to reflect on what they truly long for in their relationships. Ultimately, the conversation underscores the significance of breath, movement, and play in fostering healthy connections.
 
Chapters |
00:00 Introduction to Duey Freeman's Journey
03:49 Understanding Attachment Theory
09:39 The Role of Horses in Healing
19:08 Wealth, Attachment, and Relationships
28:19 Co-Regulation and Connection with Horses
37:49 Bringing Fun and Presence into Relationships
 
Duey's Bio |
Duey is a sought-after teacher, trainer, licensed therapist, and equine professional worldwide. 
He has taught worldwide and developed a practical attachment theory and human development theory taught to thousands of university students.
He has nearly 80,000 direct client hours and co-founded the Gestalt Equine Institute and the Gestalt Institute of the Rockies. 
He supervises therapists and graduate students and does business and land consultations for new equine therapy sites.
He embodies both tenderness and strength in all his relations and work. His quality of contact and relationship with others is authentic and unique.  People come from around the world to study with him. 
Duey is a true elder and mentor exploring new horizons in facilitating men’s growth work. Gestalt and Relational Horsemanship are not just approaches to Duey; they are how he walks through the world.
 
Duey's Resources |
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@dueyfreeman1935
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/dueyfreeman/
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/duey.freeman
Substack: https://substack.com/@dueyfreeman
https://www.dueyfreeman.org/
https://www.coloradoecotherapyinstitute.com/
Emily's Resources |
Emily's Resources: https://emilybouchard.com/
https://blendedfamiliesflourishing.com/
Heart*Brain*Horse*Coherence Retreats: https://emilybouchard.com/retreat/

Intro to Purposeful Prenups

Episode Summary |
In this conversation, Emily Bouchard discusses the importance of purposeful prenups, emphasizing that they can strengthen relationships by fostering open communication about finances and values. She encourages couples to explore their personal money stories and navigate financial conversations together, highlighting the emotional dynamics involved in discussing money. The conversation aims to reframe the prenup discussion as a proactive and constructive approach to building a healthy marriage.
 
Chapters |
00:00 Introduction to Purposeful Prenups
01:52 Why Have a Prenup?
05:42 Values and Stories
10:25 Exploring Your Money Dynamics
13:33 Managing Emotions
 
Emily's Resources |
https://emilybouchard.com/
https://blendedfamiliesflourishing.com/
Heart*Brain*Horse*Coherence Retreats: https://emilybouchard.com/retreat/